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Thread #71739   Message #1296400
Posted By: M.Ted
13-Oct-04 - 05:43 PM
Thread Name: BS: What causes AIDS?
Subject: RE: BS: What causes AIDS?
I am particularly annoyed with Bobert(in an abstract, not a personal way) for introducing the contrarian views about HIV/AIDS in such a careless and dismissive way--the fact of the matter is that, contrary to what Jeri and others have said, there are significant and growing numbers of scientists who question the validity of what is commonly accepted about HIV/AIDS--

Check this site Quotes on the Controversy to get an idea of what some of the issues are--and here is a taste of what is there:


"If there is evidence that HIV causes AIDS, there should be scientific documents which either singly or collectively demonstrate that fact, at least with a high probability. There is no such document."

Dr. Kary Mullis, Biochemist, 1993 Nobel Prize for Chemistry.

"Up to today there is actually no single scientifically really convincing evidence for the existence of HIV. Not even once such a retrovirus has been isolated and purified by the methods of classical virology."

Dr. Heinz Ludwig Sänger, Emeritus Professor of Molecular Biology and Virology, Max-Planck-Institutes for Biochemy, München.


A group of Australian scientists, know collectively as "The Perth Group" are a central part of the opposition to the conventional wisdom, and they are an increasingly visible presence at scientific conferences--here is an interview with Dr.Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, a Professor of Medical Physics at Royal Perth Hospital, that should at least persuade you that a lot of what is supposed to be clear is not:


IS HIV THE CAUSE OF AIDS?

For some questions about the validity of the commonly tossed about numbers on AIDS in AFRICA and other places, like the ones that Brucie has kindly contributed above, check this recent article by Michael Fumento AIDS THREATENS HUMANITY (AGAIN)

Here is a bit of what he has to say:

"The Boston Globe reported in June that two U.S. AIDS officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said they think global HIV numbers may be pumped up by 50 percent. Berkeley epidemiologist Dr. James Chin puts the inflation range at 25 percent to 40 percent....

Nor is there any reason to accept that 20-million-dead figure, nor that almost five million new people became infected last year or that almost three million died of AIDS....

The epidemic always has and always will refuse to live up to the official predictions for one simple reason: The louder the Klaxon sounds, the more public and private contributions pour in. The UN AIDS program doesn't even care if it contradicts other UN branches..."

There are a lot of open questionsabout AIDS/HIV, and they are being asked by people with stronger science credentials than Gary Null-- Taking sides, particularly in a disdainful and dismissive fashion-- believing one thing is true, and attacking the motives of people who see merit in another side, all make it harder to address the bottom line, which is to help people who are suffering--