My Idea of winning in Iraq is to keep large military forces there fighting back and train Iraqi forces until the insurgency dies down to the point that the Iraqi government can handle it.

Then keep a small military force there to protect contractors rebuilding the infrastructure. Hopefully Nato will step in. Isn't this the same plan that Bush and Kerry have?

There will be no ticker tape victory parades and signed peace treatys.

The terrorists will never be eliminated completely but it will not be "fashionable" to come to Iraq to fight the creation of a democracy.

There will be great political struggle there to create a Islamic government like Iran. Hopefully the citizens of Iraq will have a taste of freedom and reject being ruled by a Mullah.

Alawi could turn into a dictator like Saddam did but we must take the chance and hope for the best. Japan was converted to Democracy and they are now our allies.

My idea of loosing would be to listen to a bunch of liberal wussies, pull out and let terrorists and Iran take over. Then we would be looking at another Iran with nuclear capabilities and terrorists with nuclear weapons.

America would become like Israel taking terrorist attacks regularly. Something should have been done long ago to stem the tide of terrorisim but previous administrations eithere did not see the gathering threat or did not have the guts to do anything substantial.

We are paying the price of that inaction now.

How do others here define winning and loosing?

Open to correction.

Old Guy