Thanks, Liz - this thread got refreshed from way back in 1997. I've been able to rustle up copies of both "Oranges and Lemmings" and "Gnus and Roses" since them, and think Mr. Barker is a deeply twisted individual (I like that in a person)who deserves a MUCH larger audience in the States. Anyone who can write "The William Patel Overture" is my kind of songwriter...and I'm afraid to even imagine how your nickname came about. Oh, well, enough threadcreep...