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Thread #74542   Message #1302793
Posted By: Wolfgang
21-Oct-04 - 09:10 AM
Thread Name: BS: There is no terrorist threat
Subject: RE: BS: There is not terroist threat
If you consider Bush as being evil, you are agreeing with the terrorists. (Old Guy)

Clint has already said 'Nonsense' to that but I want to say a bit more. I take that sentence as an example for the low level of argumentation in Mudcat recurring every four years before and also shortly after the US election. And I mean both sides here, I could have taken an example from the other side as well.

Old Guy, do you post such a sentence without any real thinking or do you do it against better knowledge for the sake of the effect?

You are making use of the fact that the word 'agree' in this context can have very different senses. (1) Al Qaeda is on the record for wanting higher oil prices, I agree<(b> with that aim and have posted so in Mudcat. (2) I agree with that aim for completely different reasons and because I think that the consequences of higher energy costs will be good for the West in the long run. In that sense, I do not agree with them (3) Agreement with one of their aims for different reasons does not at all imply that I agree with other aims of them. (4) Even if I would agree with them on more aims than just higher oil prices (I don't as far as I know their aims) that does not imply at all that I would agree with their methods.

So, in a verbatim sense and with a narrow meaning of 'agree' I agree with the opinion that Bush is a very bad choice as a president (though I'd not use the word 'evil' and I'd not be sure that all the terrorists agree with that assessment). In that sense I would respond to your statement with 'Yes, but so what?"

In a broader sense that you seem to imply on purpose, I do not agree ('not agree' is a very weak expression for my feeling towards them) at all either with the terrorists' political aims nor with their methods. In that sense, I'd respond to your statement 'Nonsense' as Clint has.

Sorry for singling out one sentence of you here, there are other offenders as well on both sides of the debate, but I just had to write something about the level of the debate here in the last weeks and I took the first example that I saw when I decided to write a post about it.

Wolfgang