Peter/Fionn, I am not sure what the problem seems to be, but that is OK. I stand by my contention that this thread was started with an agenda. I also think you contention that philosophers have been exercised for years by THIS question to be without merit. If you could give me some cites, I would be happy to retract that statement.

Amos, I understood where you were coming from. I am not at all bothered nor am I misunderstanding. My response comes from the fact that I believe that debating an issue on a phony premise is a worthless idea. I understand that we may disagree on that but it is my feeling.

BTW, your last statement, Organizing the inherent spiritual religiousness of the human being is risky, and if badly manbaged can drive people toward madness. is right on the mark.

All the best,

Mick