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Thread #75098   Message #1315944
Posted By: Little Hawk
03-Nov-04 - 10:12 PM
Thread Name: BS: How the rest of the world voted
Subject: RE: BS: How the rest of the world voted
No, Pogo, you are speaking from the usual ethnocentric American navel-gazing presumption that "we did everything". You (meaning the USA) did not singlehandedly defeat the Nazis and the Japanese.

#1 - The British stopped the Germans cold in 1940 in the Battle of Britain. The first real check to the Nazi trail of victories.

#2 - The Russians stopped the Germans cold at the gates of Moscow in Dec/41 and inflicted upon them their first real defeat on land.

#3 - The Russians broke the back of the German army and air force at Stalingrad in Dec 42/Jan 43. The German forces never recovered from that debacle.

#4 - It was primarily British Commonwealth forces which stopped the Japanese land attack through Burma and saved India. That was an absolutely vital theatre of war in WWII.

The USA had not done any significant fighting in Europe until 1943.
It was the Russians and the British who fought the Germans first to a stalemate and then began to push them back, and it was primarily the Russians who devastated the German army beyond recovery.

I do not call that "appeasement". I call it the greatest conflict in human history, and America ignored it and stayed out of it until brought in by Pearl Harbour. By the time America's vast industrial potential was added to that war the Germans had already shot their bolt in Russia. They basically lost in late '41 by failing to take Moscow. Their fighting expertise was such that they still had a lot of fight left in them, but the writing was on the wall.

It is ludicrous for you to give the USA credit for winning the whole Second World War, and to accuse Europeans of appeasement when the USA was practicing isolationism! And by the way, Bush's grandfather's company armed Hitler. Look it up on Google under "Prescott Bush and Hitler".

You've seen too many John Wayne movies, I think.