Guest - I don't know why you think we are not seeing you. As I've said over and over but you fail to listen, I do think that issues that you are bringing up are important and that you are necessary for progress in this country. Without fringe groups or third parties, many of the great social issues would not have been brought about.

Where we disagree, and correct me if I am wrong in my assessment, progressives feel that they will get someone like Ralph Nader or Dennis Kucinich elected president. (I thought Kucinich was great and I cast my primary vote for him.   I wish he made a bigger impact at the convention, which does show how the party has been co-opted). These candidates serve a purpose, and they will bring about change, but they won't be sitting in the Oval office to do that.

I've been closer to the progressive left then you would ever believe, but what I see are dedicated people with determination to make change. What I also see are individualists who do not work in a political environment. Changing the system is not as easy as you make it sound in your posts. This isn't an Andy Hardy "let's put on a show" and everyone makes a few posters, attends a rally and we have a "progressive"(read-liberal) president.