No Ron, you are the delusional one if you think progressives think we can get a radical left progressive candidate elected. I have never believed Nader could be elected for one second. YOU might think I thought that because I supported his candidacy. But I don't vote or think conventionally, like you and the other ABBs especially do.

You are right to say that many on the progressive left don't participate in the electoral system. They rarely do, unless they feel that by doing so they can get things moving in a positive direction by influencing the system from the outside.

And Ron, I know that changing the system isn't easy. But I don't believe the system is changeable from within. Reform if you are lucky, but that usually doesn't happen working within the political system either. The system is the status quo behemoth, it rarely can be changed, which is why eventually all political systems get brought down, as happened with the Soviet system. The American system isn't far behind, IMO.

I never said changing things was easy. But I don't think it is as difficult as you are making it out to be. There are a lot of things that are much harder to deal with than political change, Ron. But first you have to change YOUR heart and mind, not everybody else's.

Changing hearts and minds is really difficult. Which is why I try capturing hearts and minds with ideas, hope, and some humor, rather than imposing doctrine and party lines upon them, and "should" strategies, and forcing people to change their minds against their better judgment just to conform with the mainstream. The latter is what I see Republicrats trying to do. Trying to make people conform to THEIR way of thinking, rather than capturing peoples' imaginations, their hopes, and their aspirations and showing them a way to remain true to themselves instead of selling out to conform.