Yeah, BillD said his van is not dependable enough to do a Florida trip. And he's wanting live oak which I don't have any of. There's tons of it around, but not on my spread. I have laurel oak which is live oak's more erect cousin. They both stay green through the winter and drop their leaves in the early spring.

By the way, live oaks were once harvested extensively around here for use in making ribs for the hulls of sailing ships. The limbs grow with a natural curvature so they could be made into the desired rib shape with minimal hewing.