No, not "so be it." That is the point of this thread--to not "so be it". Do you pro-Xmas folks not have enough Xmas threads of your own? This thread was begun in the spirit of providing alternatives for people who don't want ANY part of Xmas, Xtian or not.

Or have you "we only do non-commercial things" folks decided we aren't even deserving of that sort of space here?