I find the 12 points of roguery hilarious, and obviously one of Martins' famous wind-ups,but they do bring out some uncomfortable truths for the soft left.

I have long believed that the "democratic" left philosophy parroted by so many Mudcatters and an absolute ooze of politicians,was politically correct, self deluding hypocisy.

Their position of supposedly trying to bring about meaningful change within a Capitalist system,is at best laughable, and very probably an impediment to the achievment of real freedom and equality.

The sad thing is, that these people dont really want change, they are quite happy in their own "neverland", spouting their "democratic" theories, and hoping for the EVOLUTION that will never come.
Whereas Martin and his followers KNOW they are right.
Nomatter how outrageous their opinions seem to you and I, to the right these opinions are not up for debate and they will defend them "tooth and claw".
They see straight ahead to a shining light and will not be diverted by what they see as "liberal values".

If only we on the left had the same self-belief, we might be able to set the world on a better kinder path, but as Little Hawk says, we are so unsure and frightened,that we allow ourselves to be bullied into accepting a false freedom and a psuedo democracy.

If we were honest, we would agree that the soft left are only conservatives in disguise,and as Martin says "unworthy of respect".

Whenever anyone writes on this forum to point out the contradictions in the position of the "democratic" left, they are kicked around like a football by the psuedo-intellectuals, proving that they are more afraid of the real left than they are of the conservatives.

I would conclude that Martin is probably right ,and that "liberalism" will not be too hard to exterminate....Ake