Amos...Insinuating that Martin is mad does nothing to solve the problem.
I tend to agree with him that it probably will come down to "them or us" in the final analysis.   
As usual right and wrong will be convieniantly pushed to one side in our fight to make sure of the survival not of our people ,but of our system of government.

The "democratic" left, hypocritical as ever will fall in behind people like Bush whom they profess to hate, just to ensure they dont lose any "goodies.

Its about time the liberals realised that nothing but war, poverty,and a deeply divided society lies ahead under Capitalism and join the real left in protest and direct action...Ake

G8 Summit Gleneagles Hotel Perthshire Scotland....July 2005