LarryK just kicked the living crap out of that straw man.

Who exactly suggested that we pull out with no plan and leave a Cambodia/Rwanda massacre?

Who says we're not allowed to talk about the Kurds?

Who says many of us wouldn't be delighted about a change of government in Saudi Arabia?

Plans for how to succeed? Yeah we can talk about those. Plans for how to fail? Well, they've already been implemented haven't they?

First step in solving a problem is admitting that there is one. I don't hear our government admitting any mistakes, so what's there to fix?

Party of doom and gloom, eh? So you're pretty sunny about the situation and prospects in Iraq then?

Sheesh.

Seems to me that a frank discussion of Iraq needs to begin with "wow, we really f_ed this up, now how are we gonna fix it....?"