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Thread #75063   Message #1383579
Posted By: robomatic
20-Jan-05 - 04:36 PM
Thread Name: Obit: More Muslim intolerance?
Subject: RE: Obit: More Muslim intolerence?
Robomatic:
Western Christianity has done the most changing the most recently with what is commonly called the Enlightenment. Islam has not.

Carol:
This is not true. Islam has the same kind of stratification that we see in pretty much all religions. There are progressive Muslims and there are fundamentalist Muslims. The progressive Muslims have brought Islam just as far into the present cultural paradigm as progressives of all of the other religions. It's the fundamentalists of all religions who are stuck in the past, including the fundamentalists in the Muslim religion. You're painting all Muslims with the same broad brush, while ignoring the presence (and influence) of backward fundamentalists in the other religions.

No, Carol, I'm stating an opinion supported by history. Europe went through more than one extremely bloody phase of religious warfare, but got past that by the sixteenth century (and went on to bloody stages of political and nationalistic warfare). The Middle East is dominated by top-down regimes in which religiously codified leaders exert dominance through a religiously dominated political, and educational system. There are significant departures but they are very recent compared to the Western world. The progressive Muslims to which you refer definitely exist, they have been influenced by their openness to the outside world. Similarly, the interaction with the economies of the West has introduced new modes of thought, but the Islamic world of the Middle East is not in the same place with the rest of the world, viz. a lot of our current problems.