All those speed limits in towns obviously have not worked for there are still people dying and there are violations on a daily basis.

We are not allowed to opt for it the other way - these judgements and actions are now being introduced and being imposed upon us and we are told we have no choice. You cannot equally claim that these methods do have any effect - if you do not ever test the alternative.

Yet another way of avoiding the important issue for a bit of nit-picking. But OK speed limits plainly don't work as many of us see them as a personal challenge and try our best to get-away with ignoring them and speeding is a fact of life (or of driving). Folk do not ignore speed cameras but these are mainly for raising revenues (in the way of fines) rather than a serious measure to prevent speeding. The makers (and private operators) of these machines do not wish to see the end to speeding - as if it did end - they would all be out of a job.

These are counter-productive in a similar way to all of Joe's rules. Some folk just see this as a red rag being waved to them and find all sorts of silly ways to see how far they can push things and Joe runs around chasing shadows, imposing yet more rules and looking silly and in the process, making a fine forum look equally silly.

If Governments were serious about preventing speeding - the answers are fairly simple. You don't make vehicles that CAN exceed the limits Or you introduce gadgets like those speed limiters for Grand Prix pit lanes.

If Joe and his volunteers were serious about personal abuse on this forum - they would not indulge in it or ignore some of the worst culprits (as they plainly do). And again if these methods ever suceeded in actually preventing personal abuse on the forum - there would be nothing for our protectors to do (except post like everyone else). So these unknown special few, have a vested interest in keeping it going and will introduce more and more rules to ensure that they can continue to pass judgement on the worth of other's contributions and feel very important, and worthy whilst doing so.