I have no interest any contest with you or anyone else. I am sad to see that you do appear to see it in terms of some game but more importantly to use it as an excuse to avoid further debate on a subject that is of concern to many. Using your game concept - your refusal ever to move even a little in response to these concerns - is not stalemate but something worse.

As you are fully aware my reference to you making abusive attacks were to the past ones quoted. And to the others from you, that I have not quoted. As to whether these qualify as what normal people would judge as an abusive - depends on what you consider to be normal.

Inciting others to 'smear my reputation' - suggesting that 'we' start 'theads about me and sheep or something' - if made by some other poster may just result in an excuse to close or delete an entire thread. The mess that usually results from one poster making such abusive attacks and incitement - was probably only avoided by my refusal to ever respond to you (orthers) in kind.

Given this encourgement (and double standard) it is not really too surprising that John's 'witty' F*** Off Shambles posts - are also not thought by you to be abusive personal attacks.

But however you judge the level of it - this sort of thing is just not necessary from you or anyone - especially when the whole justification for all this imposed (but selective) censorship conducted by you and your anonymous volunteers - is supposed to be to protect us from such things.

It is a matter of judgement. Most of us don't mind judging others but do not like to be judged ourselves. As to whether your past comments to me qualify as abusive personal attacks - I will leave to others to judge.