Brucie, I'd like to hear how your comments weren't meant to insult. I come from a nationalist background in N. Ireland, so are you calling me an idiot? I don't think you know very much about N. Ireland at all. There isn't an organization called the UDF. Never was and probably never will be. The Loyalist paramilitaries (funny how the loyalists belong to Paramilitary groups and the Nationalists belong to terrorist organizations) are as follows: Two main groups the UVF (Ulster Volunteer Force) and the UDA (Ulster Defence Association). The UVF are old school much like the official IRA are old school. UDA members also operate as the UFF (Ulster Freedom Fighters). The two main groups combined for a while until a violent split. Out of this split emerged the LVF (Loyalist Volunteer Force) and The Red Hand Defenders and another smaller group called The orange Volunteers who are largely UDA and UVF members operating under a different name. Thought I'd clear that up.