a country where the church is as predominant a force as it is in the republic That's not Ireland 2005. It just isn't.

The same can be said for N.Ireland it is no longer a protestant state for a Protestant people, it just isn't.

To answer Ard and his words they just prove that Ireland will become a cold house for protestants. If that is the case why have a peace process at all.

I was not around in 1922 but I do understand the fears protestants had about being assimilated into a country under the influence of the catholic church. But then they were only dirty rotten prods and they deserve what happens to them, right Ard.

Where did we see that atttitude before and where did it lead us?

I suspose this type of discussion is healthy as it shows that prejudice is very much prevalent on either side. Along with a bit of self pity.


"I remember a boat which lay for a number of years in Carrickfergus harbour, it was named the Clyde Valley. this hulk was used in 1912 to carry German weapons for the UVF.
The Clyde Valley was to be refurbished by the loyalists and turned into a Museum, the project failed due to lack of funds, just pointing out that the loyalists wern`t too fussy were they obtained their arms."

Point being Ard? If you are trying to make comparisons you are way off think of the dates and when Germany and Great Britain become enemies.


"Belfast Unionist can blether all the liberal platitudes now, he like the resr of his RUC, B-Special, and Special Branch gangsters were enjoying a regime which was the envy of every tin-pot dictator in the world, can he deny the gerry-mandering and election rigging which was par for the course for these people?. "

Only poor catholics suffered! what a load of self pitying crap, working class of both sides suffered, get the hankies out for goodness sake.

One thing for sure the nat/rep opinions expressed here are not representative of the majority in N.Ireland if it was we would never see an end to the "troubles".

Next you will actually believe that the IRA's mudering of 2000 people was not a criminal act. Considering the rest of Ireland considers them to be.

I have finnished here far too much whataboutery, but i have noticed not one answered my question.