McGrath, since you seem to know so much maybe you would like to enlighten me. I grew up in N.Ireland through the worst of the troubles, lived in Belfast and never was aware of the UDF. If it was some boy's brigade feeder group for the UDA then I stand corrected.

Brucie, "Ulster Defense Force (UVP) Description", not sure what you wanted to prove with that post but you then went on to describe the UVF. The UVF have been around for a long time.

If I have made a mistake then I apologise to all and sundry but the UDF if they were as you describe a training or youth group they were not major players as per the context of the posts above. Certainly not killers in the same league as the UDA and some of its off-shoots,such as the UFF and the Red Hand Defenders/Commandoes.

Its all very well to have the time on your hands to go searching through the internet for info. Its a very different matter to be on the ground and know what to look out for.