Just clarifying, Greg. You said "total crap, completely bogus". Taking you at your word (a word you were not compelled to share if you had nothing to add to the discussion), I am trying to find out exactly why you don't find ANY of it that you can agree with. That's all part of finding middle ground. Or so I thought.

You admitted that you actually found it less than "completely bogus" when you admitted that you did find useful potential in removing the ceiling.

I'm puzzled that you think that life expectancy is not increasing -- it is one of the biggest obstacles in addressing the SS problem.

It also has never been a "savings account" as it continues to be sold to us -- though, interestingly, as it approaches a 1/1 ratio of those paying in to those drawing out, it is becoming one -- though an underfunded one.

I'm not asking you to tone down the abusiveness. I just don't think it's asking too much for more clarification.