Cllr, I do understand the etymology, it's the lifetime experience of the practical operation on which I base my comments. When one has voted for 46 years without ever getting one truly honest and honourable representative, I feel that a certain mistrust of politicians, and politics is probably justified. I should point out BTW that my comments are directed solely at NATIONAL Politicians. On the whole I feel that local government does tolerably well, despite the interference of Westminster in their affairs.

Yes Richard, I agree, as my first post on this thread will confirm. I advocated more government AS OPPOSED to politics, and was blasted by someone who wants less government. (let everybody do as he wishes invariably means a downtrodden underclass, but what the hell, they're a FREE underclass).

Regarding the E-Mail and the boys in blue, suspect you're right, but have no intention of trying it for myself. When DOES your case come up, and can I watch you tie them in knots.....Please!

We're going tro have to wath this, RB, we are agreeing too often. Something must be seriously amiss.

Don T.