I quite like this concept, but a lot of the fun of the 'Cat is the "waifs and strays" and diversions that occur even in the best regulated music Threads into BS and from BS to music. This argument has puzzled me right from the start, most, if not all, of the posters here are interested in music, BUT they are not ONLY interested in music, and like at a good dinner party the converstion flows from topic to topic. If the guests, like here, are predominantly interested in music, then they will talk a lot about music, but about other things too. I always remember a friend trying to explain Quantum theory using Morris Dancing as the analogy, and the Fool as the Uncertainty principle, Over several bottles of good red wine after a good dinner, it was hilarious and informative, the non scientists came away with a bettr understanding of something they would not have normally touched, and the Scientists with an appreciation of Morris dancing. And isn't that what this place is for( with the apparent exception of Gargoyle and his elf)to foster understanding through a love of music. Maybe this nostalgia for a perceived past,and "wishing for things to remain fixed" is "the tear in the orchestra"( for full quote see thought for the day 26 Nov)that is stopping this whole thing from working and singing, as wide ranging discussion group among people whose common cause is a love of Folk Music and who will not be bludgeoned or coerced down any narrow path of "true believers"whose vision is narrowed by their lack of imagination.To gargoyle and his elf ( whom I suspect is Loki, a Shit stirring, trouble making Norse god)I would say get a life, don't go away mad, just go away. you have a function to fulfill here, in playing Devils advocate and challenging orthodoxy but virulent personal attacks do not need to be part of it, so grow up. Micca