I sense tensions rising, so can I just ask that we keep our cool. The discussion has been very good until now, let's keep it going the same way.

Les, I have no problem with MM's/Brucie's questions; we have to accept that to them, without the British cultural background, it appears more damning than you or I might see it.

And in any case - the court is out as to whether there have been unsavoury departures from the original custom. No doubt the tapes will show any singing of racist songs (or not as the case might be).

What I find amazing is that despite my having asked the question three times so far, nobody has responded to it yet; so I'll ask it again - where do we draw the line? I refer you to my post of 1:29 PM.

I am not being rhetorical or sarcastic. But...(yet another example)
-will we one day have to stop using the expression "yellow press" for fear of appearing racist?

Where does it stop? At what point do we say to those offended "you are being oversensitive, it has not been the intention to offend you, the backround to XXXXX practice has historical, non-racist reasons"?

Otherwise, I might want the French to change their language - because "Grec" has been a synonym of "thief" from way back. Not meant this way today of course. Should I be offended? Am I undersensitive?