One more thing, Amos. Getting the thumb to function with this chord is a neat thing to do. I learned it from Richie Haves. It is 'bad' technigue, but it opens up some really good possibilities. I make almost all my "E formation" bar chords in this manner--major OR minor. Gets too difficult past the 9th fret--depends on the size of your hands I guess. Neat way to do it though because it lends itself to 'easy and fast' ascending and descending chords in that formation. Good for rock or folk, IMO.