Squeak you said people who play an instrument that you don't need to breath through play too fast. That makes sense. I suppose your tempo when playing through a horn or woodwind is going to be more attuned to your breathing. One of the most frequent complaints I get when playing guitar with others is that, like a lot of folk-based players I start out slow and finish at breakneck speed on a lot of tunes. This is mostly by design but doesn't always work that well when not playing solo. I'm going to give Marcello's exercise a try.

Thanks ddw I'll go by Radio Shack and check it out.

And Squeak, you might try to borrow a Valkyrie's breast- plate from some local opera company when you sing in church. Just a thought.

Thanks all, Frankie