Okay, Spaw, you can call 'em whatever ya want. They can call themselves whatever they want. No skin off my ass. As long as ya unnerstand that what Liz saw was one of these, not one of these.

And if there aren't enough vultures/buzzards in Hinckley to suit ya, visit any landfill in south Florida during the winter. I was driving to Miami once and saw what looked like a big flock of crows ahead hovering over a landfill. I thought they were crows because there's a huge flock of crows that feeds at Pensacola's landfill in the winter. But the closer I got, the bigger the "crows" got until I finally realized they were vultures. Thousands of 'em.