From the time we are born we give up freedom and liberty for convenience and safety. How far we are willing to travel the road is the question and this is why Roger that I do not support the Patriot Act and most of the other policies purporting to protect us by Bush and others. But it is silliness to argue the cause of unlimited freedom as you seem to do as NO ONE has it. In "The Political Illusion" Jacques Ellul argues that "The people will fancy an appearance of freedom; Illusion will be their native land."

Most of us assume freedoms that do not actually exist and when confronted with the fact that we must fight for them, stop and take a look at just how important that particular thing is. Now if it is important to you, then the fight and the civil disobedience required is part of the game. Are you saying that you are willing to stand up and fight for a censorless system here?   OR are there some things that YOU feel need censored?

Max has continually approved the work of Joe and The Clones and when he hasn't or has had a question, it seems as though they handled it themselves. Are you saying you want to be privvy to this? Seems to me we are ALL privvy to this because Joe and The Clones have kept right on during the YEARS you have been harping away! This should be evidence to you but I guess it isn't. How about if Max sends you a note that says, "I approve the way it is! Now shut the fuck up!"....Would that do it? Re-read Jon's comments above as I think he may have it right...............

But listen, if you think we should be censor free......Tell Joe that is the way YOU want THIS THREAD to be and I'll back you up. Then, I guess we can start playing The Dozens huh?

Spaw