Poopagator, Mary G, that's just what I was trying to say. He may not have had the best ideas, he may have actioned ideas that I personally don't agree with, but he had the strength of character to remain faithful to his ideas and see them through.

(Personally, I suspect a lot of the more conservative stuff was on advice from the Vatican Mob.... he seemed to be much more liberal when he was first elected....)

LTS