The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #79726 Message #1451469
Posted By: The Shambles
04-Apr-05 - 04:55 AM
Thread Name: BS: Mudcat censorship - a proposal
Subject: RE: BS: Mudcat censorship - a proposal
It's funny really, because, having read the whole of this thread and the other, much larger, one, I hadn't come to the conclusion that Roger was a troll. I see him (no disrespect intended Roger) as someone who genuinely feels, perhaps erroneously, that what he says is true.
Don – I am well-used to being called many far-more disrespectful names here - from posters who may not agree with me and for some reason wish to prevent me from saying it. And to prevent others from responding to the issues raised. It is a practice that attempts stop any real problem from ever being addressed. There is no problem with disagreement and debate – this is a forum for public discussion.
Do you consider the following statement of mine to be erroneous?
That some of those trusted by Max - are themselves setting the example of indulging in abusive personal attacks and inciting others to do so and of later justifying and excusing these actions
This is not simply my view - erroneous or not – it is a fact that I have and will demonstrate again (if really required). It will remain a sad fact - until the practice is addressed.
You are welcome to express an opinion - that my opinion is erroneous – when I go on to say that this behaviour is sad and the example it sets is unacceptable. You are welcome to express the opinion that this behaviour is fine and the example it sets is an acceptable one to you – if you think that this is the case?
But if preventing abusive personal attacks – is the real object of all these anonymous volunteers imposing their personal judgement – does it make any sense if these volunteers indulge in this and encourage others to follow suit and think that it is funny?
But this practice by (some of) our trusted volunteers (and their supporters) remains a fact to be addressed - unless you can provide evidence that it is not. What we do have provided have are sad excuses by and for our volunteers - about provocation…. I think that you may agree that there have been many attempts to provoke me into responding in kind here to abusive personal attacks and name-calling? I think you may agree that I have shown that it is perfectly possible to avoid this temptation. Perhaps wisely – for if I did ever respond in kind – I suspect my posts would be deleted – for making abusive personal attacks?
Perhaps the views, comments and conduct of some of our trusted volunteers could be given the same close scrutiny, personal judgement - that this poster's honestly expressed views on this important issue are subject to? And some perhaps some attention and comment could be given to the following?
Do you think that it really is worth the time and effort of our volunteers to judge, root-out and delete posts claiming the 100th post - whilst many of the abusive (and racist) personal attacks are left in place?
My real concern is more with the general and now routine tinkering and imposition of (some of) our volunteer's personal tastes upon the simple freedoms of ordinary posters in the music section and the shaping of our forum by this imposition.