12:19 was me, but not any earlier "guest" posts. I forgot that I had to use the "backdoor" and was cookieless; didn't mean to be anonymous. Please don't report me to Kevin!

I would have hoped it was obvious I was expressing a somewhat different point of view than the original complainant, but I guess not.

Good point, Susan, by the way. I think you expressed an aspect of what I was trying to say, and did it better.