Well, Poppagator, I thought it was possible that Guest had had a mental flare and come down on the reasonable side. But I guess that was too much to ask for. One of the really frustrating, hair-pulling realizations in life is the knowledge that practically NOBODY ever changes their minds on core issues. Sadly, that includes me. Given that, I suppose that discussions on almost any important matter are futile. Maybe we should all operate under the premise that the only discussion necessary is among like-minded people, and even then only to clarify the issues. 'Let my people go' (in peace?) may have a totally different implication...