Thanks Stu for the kind words and you are quite welcome to use the sentence in all your conversations where a soundbite would suffice. Terry K you need to offload all of your negativity in a more productive manner - I suggest you take up the position of Critic for the Sunday Times or rejoin the Conservative Party they need people like you. As for Piers; please do not give definitions of my meanings as I found, as I am sure you will appreciate, you missed the fundamental ideological subtext of the statement completely.Marx would be ashamed of you- even Harpo would have picked up on this.I stand corrected on the author (it is Robert Tressell and not Anthony Trollope as I stated - but when you get to my age the memory ain't what it used to be) but I still maintain it is a valid book for anyone interested in societal structure and development over the last hundred or so years.I could not care less what Tressell's (or Noonan's) profession was I just applaud his efforts to highlight the human condition(ing).

Regards.

Sidewinder.