That last paragraph surely is contradictory.

if there is 'no way to determine' how can you ariive at a conclusion and say it is 'a fact', that 'they had influence'

The abscence rather than the presence indicates that there is an absence which in turn means there is no prescence at all at all at all

Not many indo-Chinese invloved either.

and Johnny Collins organisd a Folk club in Singapore.

Its just that black writers and performers dont emerge onto the folk scene - yet, theys tryin to break into the big time.

Reverend Gary and Ray Charles got a mention last night, thanks to Derek Brimstone who explained that all these black guys were being ripped -off by record labels but got their own back by 'taking the piss' with their lyrics in blues songs which they recorded.

The blues and Jazz influences are very present, but black performers arent

However I do recall seing Black Paddy perform but more on the Irish pub circuit.