beardedbruce, did you actually read what you put in your 16 Apr 05 - 09:29 PM post?

What you have in that post supports what brucie and I have been talking about. Especially this bit: Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations.

And this bit: They allegedly discussed FEMA's role in the event of civil unrest and the imposition of martial law. Giuffrida produced a plan for mass roundup and imprisonment of subversives

Now why, if they aren't planning on removing our freedoms, do they expect so much civil unrest that they would need to impose martial law? And how do you suppose they would be defining "subversives"? Anybody who isn't happy about having their freedoms removed perhaps?

On the subject of Iraqi oil... the point never was to get oil for the benefit of the people of the US. The point has always been to $ecure the oil $upplie$ for the oil companie$, and to establish a large military presence in the Middle East. That part... the military presence part, is right there in that PNAC document I linked to.