Wow, Hub -- you sound bitter.

The arguments you forward strike me as ad hominem attacks, an abandonment of discourse and a refusal to talk to the issues. If you want facts, rather than spin, let's lay out exactly how broken this system is. The data I have seen indicates it is not broken, is not backed by worthless IOU's as Bush asserts, and will still be operating as designed up to 40 years from now. In addition I wonder if you or anyone can bring up a track record of the invasions into the Social Security trust fund in the last five years -- or twenty for , that matter.

If you want to flog personalities, try analyzing your half-witted cross-eyed President, one of the slimiest and most two-faced characters ever to get into office anywhere, a man who cannot construct a complete sentence without putting his foot in his mouth, and who, like you apparently, deals in personalities in the most degrading and abusive manner he can dream up. He is about as qualified for office as a Gila monster. Except he's from Texas, where the bloodshed comes a little easier.

BTW, what definition of the word "liberal" are you using. In my vocabulary, the word derives from the basic Latin liber, meaning free, and implies a deep respect for individual freedoms.

You have a problem with that. Maybe you've been mainlining too much Limbaugh and Coulter, as reactionary a pair of money-grubbing opportunists as ever scammed an audience. Hmmm?

You and your kind are dedicated to the erosion of progress and the domination of other people. You use buttons and sound-bytes instead of thinking, and are grievously short of an understanding and respect for the liberal tradition the nation was built on.

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