Hubby, you went from being a guy with a point of view, in my opinion, to a slogan slinging idiot. Perhaps you could come up with some data to back the assertion that unions are criminals. Perhaps you could check the financial bonding rates for union rep's as opposed to small businessmen, large businessmen, Walmart store managers, preachers, rabbi's, etc. and see how we stack up. I think you will find less corruption in our ranks than yours. But you just want to play into stereotypes. It is the sign of a weak mind.

Unions haven't driven the work to China, greed has. If you were to check back a mere 20 years or so you would find that the average business owner made about 70 bucks for every dollar their employee made. Today it is something like 800 bucks. Do you know anyone else whose pay went up like that with or without a union? I didn't think so.

Find someone else to blame for the fact that you probably weren't a very good manager of your business. Cliche's don't hold water in a debate.

You, Martin, and the so called Fair Minded one are just shills. I don't buy into any of that.

Mick