Well John you try to place so many restrictions on how I might respond to you that i'm at a loss for words. When I give historic examples of what my position is you cry foul. When I use the very words of the framers of your Constitution you cry not fair. When I use Supreme Court Rulings you say they dont apply.

I was not saying anything derogatory about your religion which I do not know so I stated:"which for want of a better and more accurate description is atheist" just to make my point in the example I was using, on why the constitution does not support the removal of these symbols. You may call me names, and tell me to go away, and all the other childish schoolyard bully tactics, but I choose to remain and debate rationally and without emotion and anger; in other words to exercise my right of freedom of speech, which I continue do so without animosity to, or with, anyone on this forum.

Displaying historic symbols of law is not an attempt to establish a religion, it is a decoration appropriate to the use of the building they are in. Not one law or person is making you worship them or join the religions they represent. Many of the symbols of justice are of pagan origin, and I draw your attention to your own words on this: 14th april 0745am. "There are also not a whole lot of people -- not even the neo-pagans -- who still worship the old Greek, Roman, and Norse gods. So those names are not really associated with a religion. They are just relics of history." The fact remains they are religious symbols, and unless you include them on your list of religious symbols to be removed, you are being selectively hostile to a few select religions, and therefore trying imposing your belief system on the law. Clearly any contrary opinion to your own invokes absolute vehement anger towards it. I suggest you take two Smarties, lie down and relax, and try and post something logical in the morning.

Yours, Aye. Dave