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Thread #80573 Message #1470856
Posted By: Azizi
26-Apr-05 - 01:04 AM
Thread Name: Lyr Add: Walking on the Green Grass
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Walking on the Green Grass
In her 1998 post linked above, Alice recalls children singing "Walking on the Green Grass, Green Grass", The children then added the lines "We're going to get married".
IMO, that song is a combination of "Walkin etc" and a variant form of "Dukes A Riding".
For comparison, see this song that I collected in 1997 from an African American woman's memories of her childhood in the 1950s Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania:
Directions: The girls are in one group and the boys are in another. In the 1st part of this song, the girls sing and skip four steps for each phrase toward the boys and the boys sing while walking four steps for each phrase toward the girls. In the 2nd part, after the girls shout "Are you coming?" and the boys shout "No!, the girls try to catch the boy whose name was selected and the boys run away, protecting that boy from being caught by the girls.
[First Part] Girls: We're riding here to get married Married, Married Riding here to get married. Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh
Boys: Who you gonna marry? Marry, Marry Who you gonna marry? Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh
Girls: We're gonna marry Johnny * Johnny, Johnny We're gonna marry Johnny Johnny, Johnny Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh
Boys: How ya gonna get him? Get Him, Get Him How ya gonna get him Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh
Girls: We'll break the doors and windows Windows, Windows We'll break the doors and windows Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh
Boys: You'll get all dirty and greasy Greasy, Greasy You'll get all dirty and greasy Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh
Girls: We're not as greasy and you are You are, You are We're not as greasy as you are You'll get all dirty and greasy Ah Rhythm A Diddee A Diddee High Oh
Second Part: Girls: Are you coming? {Spoken loudly}
Boys NO!(Yelled)
{Girls chase the boys, particularly trying to catch the selected boy, but actually trying to catch any boy.
* Use the name of the boy selected to "marry".
-snip-
IMO, this rhyme probably comes from the rhyme "Here Comes A Young Man Courtin" that is included in Thomas W. Talley's "Negro Folk Rhymes" {Port Washington, N.Y, Kennikat Press, 1968, pp. 85-86.; originally published 1922.} And I believe that that rhyme is based on the British game song "Here Comes Three Dukes A'Ridin."
In Talley's version, after the lines "Here Comes A Young Man Courtin", the "brown skin ladies" say "Won't you have one of us, sir?" and the men reply "You is too black and rusty, rusty rusty". The ladies then respond "We hain't no blacker than you sir" etc. Talley's version then demonstrates the color prejudice of those times by havin the "yaller girls all gay" ask the men "Pray, won't you have one of us, sir?" The men respond "You is too ragged an' dirty" etc." The "yaller girls" then say "You shore is got the big head, bighead, bighead bighead, you sure has got the bighead and you needn't come this way." The yaller girls" continue by telling the men "We's good enough for you, sir". The men respond to this by askin for "the fairest one that I can see to come and walk this way". The ending refrain for these verses is "Tidlum Tidelum Day"
I should however note that in their "Singing Game" book the Opies describe an advancing/retreating performance style for at least one version of "Walkin etc." That performance style is similar to that described in the first part of the "We're Riding Here To Get Married". I believe that it was also the performance style of "Three Dukes A Riding" and I'm wondering if "Soldier Boy" is/was performed in the same manner.