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Thread #78229   Message #1475324
Posted By: Bobert
30-Apr-05 - 07:33 PM
Thread Name: BS: *Strengthening* Social Security...
Subject: RE: BS: *Strengthening* Social Security...
Well, JSI.... all I gotta say is that you remind me very much of Bush. You proclaim that I am misinformed and then you go about spinnin' tales right from a Rush Limbaugh show...

Oh, where to start...

First, about rich folks taking their money off-shore because of taxes? That's a lot of bull. They take it offshore becasue they don't have faith in America... Yeah, Bush came to us in 2001 and siad that if we gave the rich a big tax break that these folks would invest it in America. Did that happen? Heck no, it didn't. They took their money and invested it in offshore stuff and foriegn companies because they are not the patriotic Americans that Bush made them out to be when he was tryin' to get his tax cuts thru which were supposed to jump start the American econmomy...

As fir the Dems having the microphone? Bull! You are brainwashed by right wing media. But yoy wouldn't see it that way because, ahhh, youy are brainwashed. Lets rewind to the run up to the invasion of Iraq. When a half a million folks marched in DC in Novemeber prior to the invasion the "supposed liberal press" Washington Post almost ignored it and the article they wrote on page A-17 said "tens of thousands" and then went on to give the 12 to 15 Bushites as much print as the half a million folks who were in the streets taking up 20 blocks from sidewalk to sidewalk... I know. I was there... I marched in the Moritorium against the Vietnam war and there were easially as many folks for the Novemeber march... Now let's look at yer "liberal media". How many theologians, teachers, diplomats, mediators, historians were hired as analysts by the media that you listed in the run-out to war? None.... 150 military folks and not one peace-maker... And there were folks, like Scott Ritter, who had been an weapons inspector in Iraq, who was trying to tell the truth and all of theose supposed "liberal media" ignored him like he was radiation... Yeah, if you think that the media is liberal then this really explains how you are so confused about the other things in your post...

Okay, as fir fund raising... You think I like George Soros throwin so much money at the Dems? Heck no, I don't... I also didn't think that those rangers and pioneers, 'er whatever they called themselves being turned loose by Bush to go out and strongarm business people around the dcountry and all that "bundling" crap. Reminds me of the mafia when the folks go around collectin' "protection" money... I know one person who was strong armed who says it reminded him of the Godfather movie... Yopu want a level playing field then publicly fund elections!!!

As fir you hero's Social Security plan, privatized, semi-privatized or not, Bush want to cut benefits to 70% of future retiress who atrn't 55 years old or older as of today. (Washington Post, April 30, "Bush Plan Greeted With Caution")

Okay, what other things are you confused about... Oh yeah, Clinton and his relationship with Greenspan and what Clinton did as president to get a handle on a 12 year spending binge by Reagan and Bush (I), I'd recommend Bob Woodward's book "Maestro" which is purdy much all about that relationship and what Clinton *did*... You are very confused about history on this issue but, hey, anyone who exposes that "liberal media" barf gets a pass in the free thinkin' department...

And as fir your assertion that most folks today got there from hard work I would like for you to provide your sources. Until then I'm sticking by my premise that there hasn't been all that much upward mobility compared to the number of folks who are rich by virtue of being born into rich families. If you want to proclaim me to be wrong, then how about providing sources other than other right wingers who are proclaimers... Yeah, yer side is filled with porclamation but short on facts, or morals fir that matter...

Procaliming that "carving out" 3 trillion bucks from Social Security will make is stronger is absurd... It's eqivalent to using leeches to cure illness!!!

But that seems to be all that you folks know. Got a problem? Cut taxes! Yup, every danged problem in the world can be fixed by cutting taxes???? Hmmmmmm??? I am asuccessful businessman and I never thought that cuttin' my sales or revenues would make my company any better off??? Like where did you or yer buddy Bush get yer business trainin'??? There's some wrong thinkin' going on here...

And don't give me that crap about business folks not investin' because they gotta pay taxes! That's bull... I've been in business since 1980 and I don't make my decissions around taxes... I pay 'im and go from there... And I don't outsorce... And I don't offshore... I play right here in America and am sick and tired of hearing greeding people say that the reason they won't invest in America is because they have to pay taxes... They got a big tax cut from Bush and they still won't invest in America... That really pisses me off... These folks ain't businesspeople... They are rich folks who don't have a clue about nuthin' 'cause they ain't worked fir what they have and therefore find is convient to blame progressives and free thinking folks who care about investing in America for thier own laziness... I've seen it first hand... I know a lot of these folks... They are lazy and crybabies... To go along with their greediness...

But if you wanta go out and invest in the stock market, or bonds or mutual funs, JSI, knock yerself out... Jus' don't go cutting what little money comes from Social Security from the 70% of Americans that yer hero says need a good-ol-fashion Texas butt whup cut...

Bobert