First up thanks to Brucie on the excellent article on bullying. I agree in part with the anaysis of Dave, if not with the solution he proposes. I believe he is right to point out that children should already have a knowledge of what behaviour is acceptable before they ever enter a classroom. That is obviously true. I also think it is quite unreasonable to expect teachers to belatedly take over the parents role of setting acceptable standards for the students. I recall student teachers writing a lesson plan which recorded the objective as, "To control the class". This simply meant that at some stage in the lesson, all the bottoms would be on all the seats. It is quite unreasonable to expect teachers to control and educate children who do not have even the basic skills of discipline, restraint and participation. Better parenting will inevitably help to result in better schooling. What really needs doing is the reintroduction of parental responsibility. I have no right to send uneducatable children to school.