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Thread #80780   Message #1479370
Posted By: The Shambles
06-May-05 - 10:14 AM
Thread Name: Objections to Joe Offer
Subject: RE: Objections to Joe Offer
Joe Offer says.

As for volunteers judging the "value" of posts, I don't know what to say. The only things we deal with are personal attacks, spam, racism, and technical errors.

I am (almost) lost for words too...The above is simply NOT true and this 'spin' is stated after I have provided the (following) evidence that proves it is NOT true. You can judge from this evidence............

The following post was recently deleted by a still unknown volunteer. It was NOT a personal attack –spam – racist – or a technical problem. The justification given by Joe Offer – before he was even aware that Ted's post had in fact been deleted or by whom – was that these type of posts were thought to be 'obnoxious'.

Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 19 Mar 05 - 03:13 AM

Well, Ted, I have to admit it - your #200 message was deleted - but there were two botched messages deleted before yours, so you were actually #202....or so.
-Joe Offer-

Here's Ted's (deleted) message:
Subject: RE: BS: Censorship on Mudcat
From: flamenco ted - PM
Date: 18 Mar 05 - 03:59 AM

200!! Terry, eat my shorts yet again!

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In fact imposed changes to thread titles are now undertaken by our anonymous volunteers as a matter of routine. As this recent case where am imposed changed (or addition) to a BS non-music related thread was changed-back.

Yes, I think you may well be first on the list, my friend. It's time for you either to shut up, or to use a name and take responsibility for what you have to say. If you continue to refuse to use a name, you will be come a non-person around here, and every single message you post will be deleted.
Free speech is fine, but you're just a pain in the ass.
-Joe Offer-

From the following thread.

http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=56969#894819


Note that the above statement from Joe Offer was posted two years ago, in response to an anonymous poster who was flooding the forum with lengthy copy-paste messages that were available elsewhere on the Internet. Context is important.
The "Romans" thread should not have been renamed. I changed it back.
-Joe Offer-


It was NOT a personal attack –spam – racist – or a technical problem – but a change was imposed upon this thread title as a matter of routine and without the originator's knowledge or consent.

Perhaps all this routine imposition and judgement can now stop – or any further 'official' explanations given as to 'what we deal with' can include these now routine actions? Which are NOT personal attacks, spam, racism, and technical errors

If there have been any lessons learned and changes made to the current censorship 'system' - as a result of these mistakes - perhaps this can be made clear?