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Thread #81145   Message #1484590
Posted By: Muttley
13-May-05 - 08:51 PM
Thread Name: Songs about The Potato Famine - Ireland
Subject: RE: Songs about The Potato Famine - Ireland
Sounds like "Statesthetruthasheseesit" needs to get a little perspective herself.
For a start, I will not "shut the f*ck up" as you so eloquently put it and I have plenty of perspective. I am not denying the horror of the Spanish or Jugoslavian (correct spelling for that outdated, Nazi-created country) civil wars - however, why not mention the various English civil wars, the French Revolution (a civil war), the Russian Revolution (another civil war) or even the American Civil War and get completely off the track!!!

Sounds more to me that there is some residual guilt and/or discrimination towards the Irish in your soul.

As for the bombing of London / Coventry / Liverpool they were the result of a war - NOT political and oppressive regime control of a subservient nation. And if you are going to quote those bombings, why not quote the "Unappeasing of Munich" where greater than 60% of the city was leveled or worse still - Dresden which suffered the equivalent of over two thousand Coventry's - where the loss of life after one night of bombing and the resulting firestorm cost the lives of many thousands non-combatants. To quote one of my many World war 2 histories - specifically regards the bombing of British and German cities ("Secrets & Stories of the War" Vol. II) If the (quote) "combined damaged areas of London, Coventry and Bristol (as the major targets) - and then add in all the destruction from other blitzed cities were collected into one place and and then dumped in the ruins of Munich - they would barely be noticed."
According to 'weight of bombs dropped' and 'area of damage resultant' and using Coventry (which WAS the most destroyed British city during WW2) - then Berlin suffered the equivalent of 363 Coventry's, Cologne 269, Hamburg 200 and Bremen 137 Coventry's - so get a little of your own perspective.

Thus taking totally unassociated examples and throwing them at someone needlessly only makes you look stupid (and I rather suspect you probably don't need much of that anyway) - I quote your parting words:

"Ireland has never known Fascist or Communist dictatorship -or invasion."

WRONG: It has suffered English dictatorship - or what would you call the edict that forbade "The Wearing of the Green" for which anyone: man, woman or child could be hanged. Where the native tongue and traditional songs were banned on pain of death (as were the tartan, the pipes and Gaelic in Scotland - is that not a dictatorship? And as for invasion - what WOULD you call Cromwells armies pouring into Ireland and wresting the place from its rightful owners at the point of a sword, gun and bayonet? Sounds like invasion to me.

"Has never known enthnic cleansing. Has never had death camps or a gestapo police force."

True it did not have these 'as such' BUT it did have a 'covert police force' rounding up 'subversives' who wanted to return Irish rule to Ireland. Many of those taken into custody were executed or deported (Transported) offered migration as an option to living in Ireland (or stay and be hanged or remain in prison). True it was not Nazi in scope but IT DID HAPPEN.

As for my maudlin self pity and self-righteous claptrap: There was none of that. I simply stated my ancestry as a reason for wanting to access certain songs - if that is confronting to you then you have SERIOUS problems. Quite frankly you strike me as someone who's mouth volume capacity grossly exceeds their cerebral capacity and is not afraid to prove it. Better you heeded the old warning and "Kept your mouth closed and allowed people to THINK you were stupid than open it and remove all doubt!"

As for getting the history right - I suggest next time you open fire on a member (remember you ARE a guest) that you pick on one who does NOT hold a Masters Degree in History - specifically European and Ancient History!!!!!

Now as you have hit rock bottom on the intelligence scale - I suggest you stop digging: Or must I flush again to make you go away?

Have a wonderfully blissful day (I shouldn't need to explain that last comment - most will get it but it will probably go over you head!)

BTW - I am of Irish DESCENT - I'm not Irish (actually I am of mixed Irish, English German, but predominantly Scottish desecent) So I can be unbiased on ALL counts.