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Thread #81254   Message #1488021
Posted By: GUEST,leeneia
19-May-05 - 08:41 AM
Thread Name: Origins: magic flower refrains
Subject: RE: Origins: magic flower refrains
Thanks for the interesting posts. I enjoy seeing these old songs, even if they are not strictly on topic.

Bob Coltman, I agree with you that jennifer probably evolved from juniper. A pleasant deduction!

Re: "That's not to say that there may not at some point have been some significance to "herbal" refrains in some contexts; but we don't actually know that..."   I suppose if someone found a manuscript in Geoffrey Chaucer's handwriting discussing the topic at length, then we would "know that." But I don't think that's going to happen.

Re: The refrain "Oh, the rose and the linsey, o" in "Cruel Mother," I suspect that "linsey" is a corruption of "lily." The rose and the lily were associated with the Virgin Mary. (I remember hearing that a lily was any large, fancy flower, not "lily" in the narrower sense that we use it today.)