Robomatic, Martin,
I've explained what I mean by socialism, I've explained how socialists intend to get it through democracy. Why do you bang on about China, USSR and Cuba when these were clearly mostly state capitalist economies forced onto (feudal) people who didn't want it?

If you've got a better plan for stopping wars, the millions of deaths that happen unneccesarily every year, reducing working hours, increasing democracy, decreasing bureacracy then let's hear it?