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Thread #81116 Message #1493369
Posted By: Q (Frank Staplin)
25-May-05 - 10:51 PM
Thread Name: Origins: Common European Folksong/tunes
Subject: RE: Origins: Common European Folksong/tunes
Good question. "And so say all of us" is less inclusive than the American, but that doesn't help with your query.
A few notes- Fuld says the earliest printing is in an American songster, "The Old Clown's "W-H-O-A January" Songster," 1870, NY.
Because the verse includes the word 'jolly' some say it is English in origin, but jolly is an old word, widespread in English, so I don't think its use is any help.
(The tune is much older, used for "Malbrouk" in the 18th c., and even earlier use is discussed by Fuld and others).