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Thread #81350   Message #1493676
Posted By: wysiwyg
26-May-05 - 12:29 PM
Thread Name: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes
Subject: RE: I'm Rubber . You're Glue: Children's Rhymes
Also, regarding this statement: From my research it appears that there are some rhymes that are performed by children in the USA regardless of race. However, there are other rhymes and types of rhymes that seem to be more common among children of one race or another....

What is your sample base-- are you relying on adult recollections, among non-African Americans, for that side of your question?

You also say, I also haven't found excessively violent rhymes among African American children like these ones:

"Lizzy Borden took an axe
She gave her father forty whacks
When the job was halfway through
She gave her mother forty-two.



"On top of old smoky, all covered with sand,
I shot my poor teacher, with a big rubber band!
I shot her with pleasure, I shot her with pride!
I couldnt've missed her...she's eighty feet wide!"

When you say "these ones", are you equating a "fat joke" that derides a figure of authority with "excessive violence"? Didn't AA slaves make some pretty pungent remarks, possibly even rhymes, about figures of authority? If so, does that indicate a violent mindset to you?