I stopped allowing open acess to the Yahoo Groups I run cause I got sick of Spammers and Religious Nutters spraying garbage everywhere. Now when you join, you wait till I approve you, then your first message or two wait for approval by me till they get posted - if you seem genuine, then you get open posting priveleges. Has stopped the idiots dead in the water. The only hassles is teh idiots using the 'group-owner' address as an address to spam to - but now Yahoo intercepts those and adds a 'spam' tag to the subject line. Mailwasher kills those.