Please bear also in mind that in a debate, volume of statements is not what wins it, but quality.

Please bear in mind that despite request for a debate - that what this thead contiues to be is a battle. With many contributions making no reference to the issue at all.

I am not sure if debates are ever won - however, they may be settled.

Battles however are won - but not decided on quality - the winners are usually just the stronger party. But in any war - everyone loses.