"Slavery bullshit", jpk??? Spoken like the whitest of the whitemen... Ahhhh, did it ever occur to you that if the US could deal with it's past and do the right thing in sayin that people shouldn't own people then it might send a message to the rest of the world??? Hey, is this too farfetched???

Ahhh, David, if you need specifics I'll do a little rereading but there are many references to floggin's in the Bible... Look in the area of Proverbs 17 'er 18... Floggin's is one od the things that, oh horrors, that Robert nad in his cut and past thread of pickin' at the Koran...

Then fast-forward to Matthew where Jesus says that only thru him one can know the father... If I am of Islamic Faith and am being told that I can't have a relationship with God because it has to be thru Jesus then I can see how that might be as offensive as the passgaes in the Koran about Christains...

BTW, I am a Christain but one who believes in a loving God...

Then lets bounce back to Psalms.... Ahhhh, many of you know how I describe the Boss Hog's of the world, many of whom think themselves Christains, but the Bible goes way beyond what I have said:

In speakin' to us to not be angry with the Boss Hog's of the world but to trust in the Lord and trust in His love this how the Bible talks of Boss Hog:

"For I was envious of the arrogant when I saw the prosperity of the wicked. For they have no pangs; their bodies are sound and sleek. They are not in trouble as other men are: they are not stricken like other men. Therefore pride is their naecklace; violence covers them as a garment. Their eyes swell out with fatness, their hearts overflow with follies. They scoff and speak with amlice, loftily they threaten oppression. They set their mouths agianst the heavens and their tongue struts through the earth. Therefore the peopl;e turn and praise them; and find no fault with them. And they say, "How can God know? Is there knowledge in the Most High?" Behold, these are the wicked; always at ease, they increase in riches..."

Psalms 73: 3-12

Yeah, IMO, this is a Christain teaching that gets gloosed over by most Christains... Why? It's obvious... If they stopped to read this then they might have to hold a lot of so-called Chriatain leaders accountable... But accountabilty isn't something that a George Bush and folks like Jerry Falwell know much about... But that's really a different thread...

This is about racism and fir folks to have such narrow views of peoples and religions is the foundation of racism...

In the verses I chose I showed a couple of things. First, I illustarted where the Bible, if picked apart by a well funded Christain hate organization, such as the one that more than likely picjed thru the Koran, would not hold up and better... I mean, you have fathers killin' their own kids, fir gsih sakes????

Ahhhh, but the second point I made is that within each relgion there are things that make some of its follower squirmy...

Yeah, if we are going to "End Racism" it will take not only follwers of the Bible and the Koran but followers of many. mnay relgions to find common ground... There is plenty of common ground...

The problem with finding that common ground is that is very m,uch treatens the powerful and so it is going to be a fight that is going to have to have folks put down their petty cuts and paste mentalities and talk about what we all have in common... The powerfull politican that control the media don't want that. They want folks to stay divided. They don't want common grond 'cause common ground is their largest enemy...

Bobert