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Thread #30319   Message #1533658
Posted By: Malcolm Douglas
02-Aug-05 - 06:26 PM
Thread Name: Lyr Req: Bloody Gardener (from Martin Carthy)
Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Bloody Gardener (from Martin Carthy)
Ah, those compilations! Lloyd was Carthy's immediate source, though, and had recorded the song himself in 1956 or thereabouts. Although (see above) Lloyd said he had found a text "in a Vauxhall Gardens songbook of c.1770", I've still not come across any other reference to such, though it certainly did appear on broadsides and in chapbooks from the mid-18th century onwards. It's likely that Lloyd re-wrote the words himself from printed and traditional sources, setting them to a tune that Maud Karpeles found with the ballad in Newfoundland, again modified by himself; so a partial writer's credit is fair enough, though it's a pity that he wasn't more forthcoming about his own interventions.

There are two sets of the song from genuine tradition (both Newfoundland) at folkinfo.org:

The Bloody Gardener
The Bloody Garden